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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

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By Claudio, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:40pm 
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Jimmie wrote:



The residents may well have escaped without injury, but the building may well still have burned to the ground.



Which is fine - they got out. If your martyr wasn't actually doing the checks, people's chances of getting out alive may have been reduced.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Jimmie, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:40pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

ProPlus wrote:



That'll be a major part of it. It's irresponsible neglect. Care companies can face massive fines and lose contracts if basic safety checks aren't adhered to.



But no Health and Safety prosecution yet for failing to control MRSA etc



MRSA? As in NHS hospitals? As in not private care companies regulated by CSCI?



I don't think MRSA is aware of the management of the facilities that it chooses to frequent.

MRSA is a substance hazardous to health - as in COSHH. Failure to control substances hazardous to health is a criminal offence under the Health and Safety at Work Act.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By beads, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:42pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

ProPlus wrote:

Jimmie wrote:

ProPlus wrote:



That'll be a major part of it. It's irresponsible neglect. Care companies can face massive fines and lose contracts if basic safety checks aren't adhered to.



But no Health and Safety prosecution yet for failing to control MRSA etc



MRSA? As in NHS hospitals? As in not private care companies regulated by CSCI?



I don't think MRSA is aware of the management of the facilities that it chooses to frequent.

MRSA is a substance hazardous to health - as in COSHH. Failure to control substances hazardous to health is a criminal offence under the Health and Safety at Work Act.



What has MRSA got to do with this?

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Jimmie, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:43pm 
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Claudio wrote:

Jimmie wrote:



The residents may well have escaped without injury, but the building may well still have burned to the ground.



Which is fine - they got out. If your martyr wasn't actually doing the checks, people's chances of getting out alive may have been reduced.



She's not my martyr !

Reminds me of the day my father died in the nursing home. As he went up, he hit the fire alarm and the whole place was in the carpark in the rain - all except him !

We got soaked, and laughed until we cried

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Claudio, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:43pm 
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beads wrote:



What has MRSA got to do with this?



Toss all, to be honest.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By ProPlus, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:44pm 
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I don't understand your logic Jimmie.
Fire escapes are there for staff and residents alike to leave the building and esacpe harm. If they're well maintained and kept clear they can be used. If they're not then they will be hazardous and could threaten health and life.
How do you know they're safe? By checking them.
What if there's a small fire in the kitchen? Say some hot oil. But the fire extinguisher hasn't been checked. It's either the wrong one or doesn't work. Again, this can be dangerous. How can it be avoided? By checking it.
And yes, I don't actually run a home just yet but plan to in the ear future and when I do all of my staff will be trained in fire safety. The same as all care staff should be.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Jimmie, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:44pm 
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What has MRSA got to do with this?



Someone mentioned 'irresonsible neglect' and 'fines' - for failing to fill in a checklist, and I pointed out that no-one had yet been prosecuted for killing people with MRSA

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By ProPlus, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:46pm 
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But we're talking about a care home Jimmie. Not a medical establishment. You're mixing two totally different sets of facilities by talking abOut MRSA.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Claudio, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:46pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

beads wrote:


What has MRSA got to do with this?



Someone mentioned 'irresonsible neglect' and 'fines' - for failing to fill in a checklist, and I pointed out that no-one had yet been prosecuted for killing people with MRSA



Nor for lots of other things - with such knee-jerk reactions and non sequiteurs, maybe you could get a job at the Daily Mail.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Jimmie, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:47pm 
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ProPlus wrote:

I don't understand your logic Jimmie.
Fire escapes are there for staff and residents alike to leave the building and esacpe harm. If they're well maintained and kept clear they can be used. If they're not then they will be hazardous and could threaten health and life.
How do you know they're safe? By checking them.
What if there's a small fire in the kitchen? Say some hot oil. But the fire extinguisher hasn't been checked. It's either the wrong one or doesn't work. Again, this can be dangerous. How can it be avoided? By checking it.
And yes, I don't actually run a home just yet but plan to in the ear future and when I do all of my staff will be trained in fire safety. The same as all care staff should be.



Sorry ProPlus, I totally agree. I'm not having a go. I just dislike this assumption that just because it's been crossed off on a checklist, everything will be fine.

Completed checklists are only useful for covering managements' fat arses

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