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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

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By ProPlus, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:47pm 
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Claudio wrote:

Jimmie wrote:

beads wrote:


What has MRSA got to do with this?



Someone mentioned 'irresonsible neglect' and 'fines' - for failing to fill in a checklist, and I pointed out that no-one had yet been prosecuted for killing people with MRSA



Nor for lots of other things - with such knee-jerk reactions and non sequiteurs, maybe you could get a job at the Daily Mail.



Ha! Ha!

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Jimmie, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:48pm 
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ProPlus wrote:

But we're talking about a care home Jimmie. Not a medical establishment. You're mixing two totally different sets of facilities by talking abOut MRSA.



MRSA does not appreciate the difference. And whether it is a hospital or a care home, the same health and safety laws apply

Edited Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:48pm

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Claudio, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:49pm 
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Completed checklists are only useful for covering managements' fat arses



Or for finding out whether people have actually done something.

Checklist says somebody did a check at 10:30 - the log says they left the building at 10:00. It becomes worth looking into - I know because I have been there, too.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Jimmie, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:51pm 
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Claudio wrote:

Jimmie wrote:



Completed checklists are only useful for covering managements' fat arses



Or for finding out whether people have actually done something.

Checklist says somebody did a check at 10:30 - the log says they left the building at 10:00. It becomes worth looking into - I know because I have been there, too.



I have seen logs completed days in advance too.

Still, maybe a well paid job for someone to check that management are checking the logs are being filled in correctly - as advertised in the Graudion

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By ProPlus, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:51pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

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I don't understand your logic Jimmie.
Fire escapes are there for staff and residents alike to leave the building and esacpe harm. If they're well maintained and kept clear they can be used. If they're not then they will be hazardous and could threaten health and life.
How do you know they're safe? By checking them.
What if there's a small fire in the kitchen? Say some hot oil. But the fire extinguisher hasn't been checked. It's either the wrong one or doesn't work. Again, this can be dangerous. How can it be avoided? By checking it.
And yes, I don't actually run a home just yet but plan to in the ear future and when I do all of my staff will be trained in fire safety. The same as all care staff should be.



Sorry ProPlus, I totally agree. I'm not having a go. I just dislike this assumption that just because it's been crossed off on a checklist, everything will be fine.

Completed checklists are only useful for covering managements' fat arses



I disagree. Checklists are there so that managers know exactly what needs to be checked and to what standard.
I manage a care firm ands it's a damn good one. I also regularly work over 100 hours a week.
I would never ask any of my staff to do a task that I wouldn't do myself.
There are some bad managers and companies out there but I set up my own firm because I'm passionate about social care and I resent being tarred by the same brush as a minority of useless fat twats.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By beads, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:51pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

ProPlus wrote:

But we're talking about a care home Jimmie. Not a medical establishment. You're mixing two totally different sets of facilities by talking abOut MRSA.



MRSA does not appreciate the difference. And whether it is a hospital or a care home, the same health and safety laws apply



whaaaaaaat?

I wouldn't drag infection rates into it Jimmie. MRSA is handled quite separately even between different types of NHS setting.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By ProPlus, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:53pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

ProPlus wrote:

But we're talking about a care home Jimmie. Not a medical establishment. You're mixing two totally different sets of facilities by talking abOut MRSA.



MRSA does not appreciate the difference. And whether it is a hospital or a care home, the same health and safety laws apply



True but the same risk factors do not. That's the difference.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Claudio, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:54pm 
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beads wrote:



whaaaaaaat?

I wouldn't drag infection rates into it Jimmie. MRSA is handled quite separately even between different types of NHS setting.



Beads, will you stop bringing facts into this.


We only want to deal with opinions, prejudices and syllogism.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Jimmie, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:55pm 
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ProPlus wrote:


I disagree. Checklists are there so that managers know exactly what needs to be checked and to what standard.
I manage a care firm ands it's a damn good one. I also regularly work over 100 hours a week.
I would never ask any of my staff to do a task that I wouldn't do myself.
There are some bad managers and companies out there but I set up my own firm because I'm passionate about social care and I resent being tarred by the same brush as a minority of useless fat twats.



Calm down ProPlus !

I'm sure you are indeed passionate about your job - I'm sorry if my 'debate' has upset you.

I have an innate dislike of checklists and un-necessary documentation. I have always preferred 'management by walking about', rather than management by checklists.

Now go and have a cup of cocoa and calm down ;-)

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By beads, Mon 12 May 2008 at 9:55pm 
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ProPlus wrote:

Jimmie wrote:

ProPlus wrote:

But we're talking about a care home Jimmie. Not a medical establishment. You're mixing two totally different sets of facilities by talking abOut MRSA.



MRSA does not appreciate the difference. And whether it is a hospital or a care home, the same health and safety laws apply



True but the same risk factors do not. That's the difference.



quite

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