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By hatter, Mon 7 Jul at 10:42am 
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Hey Apple,

Sorry to hear about the work situation. Is there a union at your work, or do you have free legal advice through your house insurance or bank account or something similar.

HR are b*ggers for making up the rules as they go along (sorry Ben). But as soon as you get someone who knows the process and procedures on your side it can help a lot. Their hands are tied by lots of red tape and they must follow this proces to the letter which seems just hasn't been done and a lot if by word of mouth at your place.

Things like this have happened a lot in our office recently and tends to end up with the person being subject to some sort of greivance/complaint getting a formal apology from HR and the management.

Just because HR say they are following the correct process, don't believe them!

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By Ben, Mon 7 Jul at 11:07am 
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hatter wrote:



Just because HR say they are following the correct process, don't believe them!



Indeed - knowledge is power. This is where employment tribunals win so often, or people appeal and get decisions overturned - somewhere along the line, someone has failed to dot an i, or cross a t (all it needs it one signature to be missing) and the whole thing is a complete waste of time, energy and an awful lot of stress.

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By dillion, Mon 7 Jul at 11:15am 
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I wouldn't "leg it" if I were you - you never know you (or your new employer) might deal with them in future.

Ben made some great advice re documentation - if there is no documentation or paper evidence then it would be questionable. Even if there is a documentation supporting the evidence, as long as this admin thing you have to do is achievable/not impossible, then I would stick to it for a 1-3 months.

If you think about it, you are only with them for 6-7 hours a day and there are 24 hours. :o)

Just my 2pence.

Edited Mon 7 Jul at 11:16am

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By Apple, Mon 7 Jul at 11:30am 
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Thanks everyone.

They didn't document the meeting in which I apparently received my first warning but the one I just went to has been documented.

I'm not just going to walk out- but don't see much point in fighting their decisions at this stage. I just know now I don't want to work for a company like this for the pay I am on.

Regarding the business idea- I've ran it by some close people including my parents who own their own business so not new to the concept and they think it sounds good.

One thing I need to check is- 'employee raiding' (i.e stealing business concept and contacts for my own business) if my contract doesn't have a clause in preventing this, does anyone else know of any reason it would be illegal?

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By Captain, Mon 7 Jul at 11:46am 
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Hello Apple

Regarding Poaching of Staff

The first place to check is your contract/offer letter - I'd find it highly unlikely there would be anything in there

Secondly, is there such thing as an Employees Handbook? You should check that also

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By dillion, Mon 7 Jul at 11:48am 
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I posted a few mins before Captain but it is not coming up? Did I imagine it?

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By Wes, Mon 7 Jul at 11:51am 
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First of all, Cap you motherfu*king hard core rock star. Long time no see. Glad you're back.

My princess, I'm sure you can raid staff to your hearts content. If you were MD or similar level, you might have something in your contract to say you can't start up a rival business. It is rarely enforceable anyway, but there are ways around it.

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By Gahoo, Mon 7 Jul at 12:42pm 
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Ditch the job,

You will find another one soon I am sure, maybe do some temping for a bit until your business idea kicks in. I have quit jobs in the past without having anything solid lined up, I get a buzz of it and it gets you motivated to find something else. I would say aim high for your next job, people with the highest paid jobs are usually just the best blaggers.

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By Apple, Mon 7 Jul at 1:31pm 
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Ahhh thank you again everyone.

Yah Gahoo, I'm aiming to add at least 5k to my wage with the next job. As far as I'm aware references don't ask for your previous salary.

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By Rael, Mon 7 Jul at 2:11pm 
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Apple wrote:

As far as I'm aware references don't ask for your previous salary.



you have to state it on quite a lot of job applications. i'm sure you could refuse to provide it but they would question why

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