Liverpool's two new full-backs Philipp Degen and Andrea Dossena both believe they have signed for a club with genuine title chances.

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What do you think? Can Liverpool get anywhere near 1st place this season?

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For the last 5 years that I can remember they always football tease.

High expectations but very poor outcome for the Premiership.

The solution is to get rid of Rafa he's not a manager that can win the league.

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Do you think they ever would though? After winning the European Cup in his first season they worship him. And what's going on in the boardroom? It could be a disastrous season for Liverpooli

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Who!?!?

Liverpool - 4th at best this season

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Keep spouting this level of bullshit and I will get rid of you.

Moron.

;-P

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Nope they won't until next season. He definetly needs to leave Liverpool for them to challenge for top 2 place.

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Has it ever occurred to you that Manchester United and Chelsea have consistently out-spent Liverpool, and that could be the reason we haven't won the league. Not anything to do with the manager?

Check the facts then report back to me.

There's a good boy.

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Okay i've checked the facts.

Rafa kept on making poor decisions last season. Changing the team too often, making stupid decisions and then taking off his star players a crucial times.
The best time was when he took off Torres at the Bridge in the Champions League. Torres's face went totally CHELSEA BLUE.

La Liga is totally different to the Premiership.

He is a great cup manager but hasn't even got what it takes to lead Liverpool to finishing 2nd in the league let alone finishing first!

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Wow.

Your well-structured and totally fact-based argument wins me over time and again.

You have used ONE example, and if you remember rightly, Torres actually picked up an injury in that game. Benitez was actually protecting his player.

I see you fail to mention the time he took Gerrard off when Liverpool were away at Goodison in the derby. We were 1-0 down at the time. Full time, we won 2-1. Why did he take off Gerrard, our best player? To give the team more balance and have them not let emotion rule the pattern of play - by bringing on Levia instead of Gerrard the team settled more. Is Levia a better player than Gerrard? No way. He wasn't so wound up by the day though that he let his emotions govern his game, rather than the other way round.

You say La Liga is different from the Premiership - well spotted, Sherlock. Does that mean any foreign manager is destined to be unsuccessful in this country, because they were schooled in a different league? I think a certain Mr A Wenger and a Mr J Mourinho would argue differently.

There can only be ONE manager who wins the league every year. It just so happens that Benitez arrived at a time when Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal are also employing top coaches and spending top money for players. Every season we make progress, but then so do our rivals. It is not as simple as 'last year you spent £50 million, you should win the league', because manchester United and Chelsea spent as much or even more.

Fernando Torres aside, Liverpool have never spent more than £11 million on a player. United paid £29 million for Rio Ferdinand A DEFENDER, in 2002. They spent £28 million on Juan Veron (great signing, ha!) in 2001, Owen Hargreaves cost £17 million, Carrick nearly £19 million, Rooney cost £30 million. I could go on - the point is for every £ million Liverpool soend, United spend £2 million!

It is hardly worth even mentioning Chelsea - everybody knows the money they throw at the squad.

The point is, it's not as simple as 'you should win the league', when your rivals spend more money improving their squads.

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