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Talk / Life / Breaking news / Alcohol and porn ban for Aborigines

By Mansized, Thu 21 Jun 2007 at 9:01am 
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Canberra plans to ban alcohol and pornography on Aboriginal land to curb a "national emergency" in child abuse, Prime Minister John Howard has said. Any thoughts?

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By MO75, Thu 21 Jun 2007 at 10:49am 
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That's quite sad. Can't be the best way to deal with the situation though...

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By Apple, Thu 21 Jun 2007 at 10:52am 
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I wonder why? Alcohol can't be the only reason surely. We've all been very drunk, and wouldn't dream of doing anything of the sort.

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By greg, Thu 21 Jun 2007 at 11:00am 
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It;s pretty bad in australia, there's a huge divide between the Aborigines and white aussies. There was one case of an Aboriginal politician who had a seizure, and was left lying at a bus stop for hours as everybody thought she was "just another" drunk and passed out Aboriginal.

I think alcohol is one of thier main problems, simply because their culture isn't used to it.

NZ things are a lot better as the maoris are intrgrated a lot better into society, probably in part thanks to getting their permission to use the land when we went over, rather than just taking it.

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By MO75, Thu 21 Jun 2007 at 11:00am 
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The Aboriginals that live in the outback have a lot of autonomy, basically they have tribal law. The perception seems to be that some of the tribal Aborigines have sort of pushed the boundaries of this - so you have some Aborigines who are good mates with the tribal elders who go relatively unpunished (there was a case recently where a 50 year old guy raped his 12 year old niece and was pretty much let off under the tribal law).

Alcohol isn't part of traditional tribal culture, so it probably doesn't help things. For historical reasons Aborigines see it as part of being granted freedom/citizenship to be allowed to drink (when they were considered Australian fauna they weren't allowed to drink alcohol, as soon as they were made Australian citizens they were allowed to drink). So they drink heavily and get blind drunk and probably don't have a lot of social controls or boundaries on that.

I'd say that a few have done these bad things and got away with it, so the behaviours have become sort of normalised...

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Re: Alcohol and porn ban for Aborigines

By KC, Thu 21 Jun 2007 at 11:09am 
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I wonder if there is even one instance in history that a government banned something & the problem stopped.

This kind of headline/attention grabbing BS just goes to show how pathetic most of the world leaders of today are.

In the very sgort term (i.e. most politicians political careers) these options are easier & cheaper than tackling the root cause.

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By greg, Thu 21 Jun 2007 at 11:12am 
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KC wrote:


In the very sgort term (i.e. most politicians political careers) these options are easier & cheaper than tackling the root cause.



the root of the problem is huge though. White people invading the country and making it their own, and a huge desolate difficult to police country. I don't pretend to understand all the problems, but at least they aren't ignoring it.

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Re: Alcohol and porn ban for Aborigines

By KC, Thu 21 Jun 2007 at 11:18am 
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sure, but banning alcohol - hasn't that been tried and failed on a pretty large scale in the past. All that happens is criminals supply the demand.

I know the root cause is a huge problem, better to make even small progress there than step back 200 years & lose it all

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Re: Alcohol and porn ban for Aborigines

By MO75, Thu 21 Jun 2007 at 11:22am 
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It's a temporary ban while they check out the issues. A lot of Aboriginal communities with tribal law are "dry" communities anyway, they've banned it themselves, with varying degrees of success.

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