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We've seen several "men's talk" posts from you recently and attempts to get other members to rise to the bait. I'm not going to go into specific examples as we'll be here all day.
Controversial debates are welcome as long as they're backed up with a bit of substance. Banter is also fine provided the member you're bantering with sees the funny side.
This is a community of people not a one man show. We hope you understand this.
Indeed.
I shall make sure I keep this in mind.
However if you feel it is a 'one man show' possibly it is due to a lack of input by others?
It is hardly my fault if I have posted a lot.
If of course you are referring to me feeling the site is in some way mine? LOL... I can assure you this is not the case.
However if you feel it is a 'one man show' possibly it is due to a lack of input by others?
I don't think you've posted 508 times today. I was talking about some people's need to get a certain kind of reaction from others. We're all friends here so I wonder why some feel the need to do this.
Anyway, sorry all for interrupting your thread. I'll butt out now.
However if you feel it is a 'one man show' possibly it is due to a lack of input by others?
I don't think you've posted 508 times today. I was talking about some people's need to get a certain kind of reaction from others. We're all friends here so I wonder why some feel the need to do this.
Anyway, sorry all for interrupting your thread. I'll butt out now.
the image of drugs are socially constructed. Alcohol and tobacco are socially accepted for centuries. They are part of a culture. Things like opiates aren't.
Drugs have just become scapegoats for the middle section of society. You can see that people have been brainwashed by the scapegoat media by looking at the words used to describe drug users on this thread; 'druggies', 'hippies', 'idiots', etc.
Bit inconsistent really here, Dan. Since when has the image of people shit-faced, lying faced down on the floor thanks to alcohol been glamourised?
I personally find it a bit off when you say people have been brainwashed by the media into calling people druggies, hippies and idiots. I dont need the Sun, the Times, the Daily Mail or any other crappy rag to tell me what to think. Having seen the effects of drugs first-hand I know they are bad news. I dont need some middle-class Oxbridge graduate with a column in a daily to tell me that.
Some of my closest friends are regular users of class A drugs. Are they idiots? Yes they fucking are, and I regularly tell them that. They suffer piss-poor health because of it, one has been fired from work and it costs them all a fortune. Drugs are manufactured illeaglly and as such the risks are higher. Dirty factories, cheap ingredients, dirty transportation etc.
As I said earlier, I am not defending alcohol - my brother used to manage a pub and there was the same crew in there from 11am-11pm, pissing our taxes against the wall. They are no better, but at least the substances they were buying where relatively risk-free in the quantities they were consuming.
Dan wrote:
The answer too hard to come up with and alcohol and tobacco are too far ingrained into the worlds culture to be giving up, so the scapegoat rides once more. Far easier to call drug users 'caners' and 'stupid'. Well, anyone who has ever had alcohol or tobacco: you are a stupid hippy.
I am a regular drinker of alcohol. Am I stupid? Probably! The point is I know it has been manufactured in a controlled environment and isn't going to do me any major damage.
At least I know my alcohol hasn't been padded out with other chemicals. I wonder if Leah Betts would still be here if she was just drinking that night, rather than taking drugs that were produced in less than sanitary conditions?
Perhaps if drugs were made in a controlled lab they would be more socially acceptable?
Drugs, i.e illegal drugs, will not be socially acceptable in my life time. Whether they are made legal or not.
The point about Leah Betts is not quite right. Last year I got so drunk that when I walked home, I started walking up the wrong side of a motorway. I could have easily have been killed. If Leah Betts had only drunk alcohol, but still had too much, she could have suffered very much the same fate.
Your friends who take drugs could easily change whatever drugs they take too much of for alcohol and they might be in the same position: ill health, interpersonal problems etc. Too much of any drug will have a detrimental effect on your life. They just chose an illegal drug, thats all.
I don't think you've posted 508 times today. I was talking about some people's need to get a certain kind of reaction from others. We're all friends here so I wonder why some feel the need to do this.
Middle child syndrome; he was starved of attention as a child and needs to make up for it now. ;O)
Perhaps if drugs were made in a controlled lab they would be more socially acceptable?
isn't that the point of the legalisation argument. if they were legal they could be made by phoenix in his lab and would be safer.
I am not sure it is the point of the argument, more an important part of the procedure it would need to go through. There is no certainty that making drugs legal would ensure they were government-controlled. They could be easily made by a private company who cares only about making money. To be honest, it doesn't matter - it will never happen anyway!
Drugs by their very nature though ARE dangerous, much moreso than alcohol. They are complex chemicals that stay in the system for longer. Traces of drugs can stay in the body for months and months, whereas alcohol is excreted quickly and effectively. The acute and chronic affects of alcohol are generally milder than drugs anyway.
I dont make the decisions as to why drugs are illegal, and I would be interested to know what the criteria is. I dont think it is as simple as 'alcohol has been around longer' though.
There was once a day when Coca Cola had cocaine in and was legal, so I dont think it is because drugs are a new thing. People have been taking drugs for a long time.
I dont make the decisions as to why drugs are illegal, and I would be interested to know what the criteria is. I dont think it is as simple as 'alcohol has been around longer' though.
i don't know either. there is obviously some sort of judging criteria though that leads to the various classification bands.
anyway, who wants a piece of this space cake i just baked?
Yes it is. You being drunk and walking up the road is your behaviour as a result of ingesting alcohol. The alcohol itself was not the problem. Leah Betts died as a result of a dodgy pill.
I didn't question drug or alcohol (I know alcohol is a drug, but for the sake of clarity will keep them different) induced beahviour, simply the actual substance.
Dan wrote:
Your friends who take drugs could easily change whatever drugs they take too much of for alcohol and they might be in the same position: ill health, interpersonal problems etc. Too much of any drug will have a detrimental effect on your life. They just chose an illegal drug, thats all.
I agree. But what they would be doing is reducing the risk they expose themselves to. They are a great bunch of guys, and them taking drugs wont stop me hanging out with them or liking them. We all have a choice in life. Surely you can see what I am saying though? Buying drugs from an unknown (and just because chavvy Gaz is a regular supplier you have used for 5 years without problems doesnt make him an expert) source is a massive risk - one that can, and does lead to many health problems for lots of people every year.
