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By ProPlus, Mon 12 May at 10:04pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

Claudio wrote:

Jimmie wrote:



Bring back Matron and give her a bucket of bleach to slosh around. That will kill MRSA



Spoken like a politician.

Uninformed, inaccurate and potentially dangerous.



Petrol is potentially dangerous - it is not the product which creates the risk, but the method in which it is used.

Bleach kills MRSA on surfaces - fact





Surfaces such as skin? And I still don't get how you're linking MRSA to care homes? How exactly would MRSA get into one that hadn't been specially adapted? How many times do you hear of MRSA outbreaks in care homes?

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Jimmie, Mon 12 May at 10:06pm 
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Maybe I am getting annoyed by this. But when people make knee jerk comments about an ambiguous newspaper article I believe I have every right.
It's not really a debate when you regard fire safety as such a low priority either.
I regularly check on my staff whilst they're working. That way I make sure they're doing the job properly and to their clients' satisfaction. On a more serious note, it helps combat abuse of vulnerable adults.
Check lists are essential in care. It's the people who do them that can meke them useless.



Believe me ProPlus, I treat fire safety as an absolute priority. I worked in a chlorine factory for 15 years - when our fire alarms went off, we didn't hang around, and we had a big orange windsock to tell us which way to run. That orange windsock saved a lot of lives when the factory burned down.

When I am in a hotel, the fire exits are identified and tested by me, and if I see a fire door wedged open I will unwedge it.

Edited Mon 12 May at 10:06pm

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By beads, Mon 12 May at 10:06pm 
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Claudio wrote:

Jimmie wrote:

Claudio wrote:

Jimmie wrote:



Bring back Matron and give her a bucket of bleach to slosh around. That will kill MRSA



Spoken like a politician.

Uninformed, inaccurate and potentially dangerous.



Petrol is potentially dangerous - it is not the product which creates the risk, but the method in which it is used.

Bleach kills MRSA on surfaces - fact




And also damages skin, mixes badly with other chemicals. "Sloshing" it around is not a good move.



MRSA isn't hard to kill outside of the body, it's just a challenge to antibiotics.

Bleach isn't not popular at all actually....we only use it for terminal cleans. Hydrogen peroxide is the new 'black' though for CDiff and MRSA

anyway.. that's all off topic.

The question is..... what is the question?

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By Claudio, Mon 12 May at 10:07pm 
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beads wrote:

..... what is the question?



2B or not 2B.

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By Jimmie, Mon 12 May at 10:07pm 
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ProPlus wrote:

Jimmie wrote:

Claudio wrote:

Jimmie wrote:



Bring back Matron and give her a bucket of bleach to slosh around. That will kill MRSA



Spoken like a politician.

Uninformed, inaccurate and potentially dangerous.



Petrol is potentially dangerous - it is not the product which creates the risk, but the method in which it is used.

Bleach kills MRSA on surfaces - fact





Surfaces such as skin?



I think soap and water is enough to remove it from skin - bleach may not be acceptable ;-)

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By beads, Mon 12 May at 10:08pm 
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ProPlus wrote:

How many times do you hear of MRSA outbreaks in care homes?



now, that IS off topic.

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By Jimmie, Mon 12 May at 10:09pm 
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beads wrote:

Bleach isn't not popular at all actually....we only use it for terminal cleans. Hydrogen peroxide is the new 'black' though for CDiff and MRSA



Hydrogen Peroxide is even worse to handle than bleach. Not only is it corrosive, it's also an oxidising agent. One dangerous substance has been substituted by an even more hazardous one

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By beads, Mon 12 May at 10:11pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

beads wrote:

Bleach isn't not popular at all actually....we only use it for terminal cleans. Hydrogen peroxide is the new 'black' though for CDiff and MRSA



Hydrogen Peroxide is even worse to handle than bleach. Not only is it corrosive, it's also an oxidising agent. One dangerous substance has been substituted by an even more hazardous one



:-) it's not used in the same way.

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By ProPlus, Mon 12 May at 10:11pm 
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beads wrote:

ProPlus wrote:

How many times do you hear of MRSA outbreaks in care homes?



now, that IS off topic.



Not really. We're discussing the relevance of health and safety checks in care homes. The question of how is MRSA checked in care homes was raised which begs the question, is MRSA a threat in the majority of care homes?
If you check fire exits in hotels Jimmie, surely you must realise the importance of doing it in care homes with vulnerable residents?

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By Jimmie, Mon 12 May at 10:12pm 
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beads wrote:

Jimmie wrote:

beads wrote:

Bleach isn't not popular at all actually....we only use it for terminal cleans. Hydrogen peroxide is the new 'black' though for CDiff and MRSA



Hydrogen Peroxide is even worse to handle than bleach. Not only is it corrosive, it's also an oxidising agent. One dangerous substance has been substituted by an even more hazardous one



:-) it's not used in the same way.



You mean it's not just sloshed around the wards?

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