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By Jimmie, Mon 12 May at 10:15pm 
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ProPlus wrote:

If you check fire exits in hotels Jimmie, surely you must realise the importance of doing it in care homes with vulnerable residents?



I do, I do !

But you will never convince me that I need to be able to prove that they were checked last Saturday, or last month or last year.

It is essential that they open today, now, this minute if the fire alarms go off.



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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By beads, Mon 12 May at 10:15pm 
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How many people are colonised with MRSA in the care sector is unknown to a certain extent because no one looks for it. People get swabbed as they move into higher risk areas or show clinical signs. It's the same with mental health, no one knows.

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Re: The carer who was sacked for breaching health and safety rules after making out-of-hours visit to dying resident

By beads, Mon 12 May at 10:16pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

beads wrote:

Jimmie wrote:

beads wrote:

Bleach isn't not popular at all actually....we only use it for terminal cleans. Hydrogen peroxide is the new 'black' though for CDiff and MRSA



Hydrogen Peroxide is even worse to handle than bleach. Not only is it corrosive, it's also an oxidising agent. One dangerous substance has been substituted by an even more hazardous one



:-) it's not used in the same way.



You mean it's not just sloshed around the wards?



yes

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By Jimmie, Mon 12 May at 10:18pm 
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beads wrote:

Jimmie wrote:


You mean it's not just sloshed around the wards?



yes



You prove my earlier point that it is not the product which creates the risk factor, but they way in which it is used

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By ProPlus, Mon 12 May at 10:18pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

ProPlus wrote:

If you check fire exits in hotels Jimmie, surely you must realise the importance of doing it in care homes with vulnerable residents?



I do, I do !

But you will never convince me that I need to be able to prove that they were checked last Saturday, or last month or last year.

It is essential that they open today, now, this minute if the fire alarms go off.





Because you never know when a fire may start. A fire may have started last Saturday, last month or last year.
The more frequently they are checked, the lesser the risk of them being unsafe.

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By beads, Mon 12 May at 10:20pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

ProPlus wrote:

If you check fire exits in hotels Jimmie, surely you must realise the importance of doing it in care homes with vulnerable residents?



I do, I do !

But you will never convince me that I need to be able to prove that they were checked last Saturday, or last month or last year.

It is essential that they open today, now, this minute if the fire alarms go off.




It's not a perfect world though and with liabilities and consequences as they are, you can't blame an employer wanting evidence that their instructions are being carried out.
It also makes it very clear what the expectation is.... daily/weekly/hourly...... no doubts.

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By Claudio, Mon 12 May at 10:20pm 
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ProPlus wrote:


The more frequently they are checked, the lesser the risk of them being unsafe.



And with some staff, unless they know you are checking on a regular basis (and have evidence) they may not be as diligent.

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By Jimmie, Mon 12 May at 10:21pm 
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Because you never know when a fire may start. A fire may have started last Saturday, last month or last year.
The more frequently they are checked, the lesser the risk of them being unsafe.



I agree - but if I have a daily checklist, then I need only keep yesterdays and todays, right? Two sides of a wipe clean board

If I have a weekly checklist, I need only have this weeks and last weeks - two sides of a wipe clean board.

etc

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By beads, Mon 12 May at 10:22pm 
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Jimmie wrote:

beads wrote:

Jimmie wrote:


You mean it's not just sloshed around the wards?



yes



You prove my earlier point that it is not the product which creates the risk factor, but they way in which it is used



*shrugs

I didn't read it all.

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By Claudio, Mon 12 May at 10:22pm 
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beads wrote:



*shrugs

I didn't read it all.



A very wise move.

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