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By JustThe5, Thu 4 Sep at 3:28pm 
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mexoclas wrote:

My lower back was f*cking killing me warming up for deadlifts today, but it was ok during the heavier sets. Odd.

Deads - 100kg 4x6 - not gonna up this till my grip can handle it properly



I think you do not need to that many total reps for deadlift (20), it is a strength exercise; hence, have a low total volume.

Did your warm-up for deadlifts, include doing weighted deadlifts?

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Re: Bulking

By mexoclas, Thu 4 Sep at 3:30pm 
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Well that's the most reps i'd ever do, i thought i'd do more now as i was doing just one heavy set of 5.

Warm up is approx - 20 with bar, 10 with 40kg, 6 with 60kg.

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Re: Bulking

By JustThe5, Thu 4 Sep at 3:36pm 
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36 is a lot of reps for a warm-up and do not need that many for a warm-up; plus you have the 20 reps for the main lifts.

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Re: Bulking

By STE, Thu 4 Sep at 8:24pm 
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mexoclas wrote:



Eaten loads today including a large big mac meal and a mcflurry, yum! I'm so fat.



That's what fat people eat!! I've seen 'em!

Your gonna have to do better Mexo :-D

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Re: Bulking

By Noffles, Thu 4 Sep at 8:26pm 
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JustThe5 wrote:

mexoclas wrote:

My lower back was f*cking killing me warming up for deadlifts today, but it was ok during the heavier sets. Odd.

Deads - 100kg 4x6 - not gonna up this till my grip can handle it properly



I think you do not need to that many total reps for deadlift (20), it is a strength exercise; hence, have a low total volume.

Did your warm-up for deadlifts, include doing weighted deadlifts?



Get some straps if your grip gives out before your strength... and shut up anyone who says straps are stoopid, they aren't.... You're stoopid!

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Re: Bulking

By mexoclas, Sun 7 Sep at 1:30pm 
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Gym yesterday:

Squats - 80kg 2x8, 75kg 3x8
Pull ups - 7,6,6,6
Incline db press - 26s 1x8, 24s 3x8
1 arm row - 24 2x8, 22 1x8
Lat raise - 8kg 9,8,8
Tricep pushdown - 35kg 10,10,9

Went out last night though and was drinking, no appetite at all today.

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Re: Bulking

By Gary Internet, Sun 7 Sep at 2:24pm 
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100kg on the work sets is a big jump from 60kg on the last warm up. You're not far off doubling the weight in a single "jump".

I know a strongman who has a 1 RM in the deadlift of about 360kg. He can get at least 10 reps with 300 kg with just a belt.

When he warms up for his 1 RM attempt, his first warm up set is over 200kg. He said that if he feels a little rusty he may do a couple of reps with about 140kg before hand. Note: a COUPLE of reps.

You may be thinking "Christ! Over 200kg for a first warm up set is insane!"

For you and me maybe. But for him, it's fuck all on toast.

Why if you can comfortably handle 100kg for 4x 6, why on earth are you warming up with the bar, and 40kg?

I'd go more like this as a warm up:

60kg x4
80kg x4
95kg x4

You want your last warm up set to be a fairly close representation of what you're going to do on the work sets so you're mentally prepared.

But if you feel that 60kg is enough to mentally prepare you for 100kg, then stick with it! If it is working for you, keep going.


I'm convinced that warming up is a mental thing. Physically I'm warmed up by my 3 minutes on the rowing machine. It's a fairly brisk 3 minutes. That is what raises my heart rate, gets the blood pumping around my body and raises my body temperature. I would probably be better warmed up by spending 20 minutes in the sauna!

Warm up sets in my opinion, are purely a rehearsal of form, movement patterns, muscular contraction etc etc.

My body is ready but I wouldn't just jump straight in a working weight and go for a set. I need to have a practice first.

I do 3 warm up sets of 4 reps.

I rest long enough between warm up sets to change the plates on the bar, have a drink of water and perhaps do a couple of reps with nothing but air, then it's back to the bar and do the next set.

My total time under tension for those 12 warm up reps, not counting when the bar is on the floor for a few seconds between reps, is no more than about a minute.

Are you telling me that a maximum of 60 seconds actual muscular work is enough time for tendons and ligaments to be warmed up so they won't snap or tear? If it is, that's great. If the form used is poor, injuries will occur whether you're "warm" or "cold".

What prevents an injury (in my opinion) is the fact that I've practiced my form, rehearsed the skill, rather than actually heating up as a result of the physical activity.

I only warm up for squats and deadlifts. Every other movement I perform is far less technical as far as form is concerned and so I don't bother.

Edited Sun 7 Sep at 2:33pm

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Re: Bulking

By mexoclas, Sun 7 Sep at 3:28pm 
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Cheers for that GI. I'll try that warm up you suggested and see how i get on.

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Re: Bulking

By Gary Internet, Sun 7 Sep at 11:45pm 
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Try it and see. It's a 12 rep warm up instead of a 30 something rep warm up. It'll mean you'll have a little more energy left for you work sets.

Remember that a warm up is just that, a warm up. It shouldn't be a workout in itself.

If my way doesn't work for you, do it your way. All I know is, I wouldn't be jumping from 60kg to 100kg. I wouldn't feel comfortable.

Jumping from 90 or 95 to 100 is much "safer". 90 or 95 feels a lot like 100. 60 doesn't.

Whatever weight you use, it's only as safe as your form. Good luck.

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Re: Bulking

By Dutch, Mon 8 Sep at 9:40am 
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mexoclas wrote:

Dutch wrote:

mexoclas wrote:


Pull ups - 7,6,5,4 (too fatigued by this point to match what i did last time)



you mean too fat?!



Yeh ;(

My M Arsenal shirt fits just fine actually!

Waist is 34 ish, but if i breath in i can just about see my top 2 abs so that'll do me!



maybe saying you're too fat was a little harsh... what i meant was, you gained 7lbs in 2 weeks, of course chin ups are going to be harder.

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