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By KT, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:05am 
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It nice to see yourself progressing, but are grading just a money making con?

discuss!

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By alderms, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:10am 
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How does the grading system work K.T.? I presume you mean as in working class-lower mddle class-upper lower middle class- middle class etc?
What are the boundaries?

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By alderms, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:13am 
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Oops, my mistake, didn't notice it was a martial arts board!
sorry!
don't think you have classes in that respect in martial arts!

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By KT, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:16am 
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alderms wrote:

Oops, my mistake, didn't notice it was a martial arts board!
sorry!
don't think you have classes in that respect in martial arts!



Well, you have good and bad, but other wise no!

No worries mate :)

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Re: Are gradings a con?

By IB, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:23am 
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KT wrote:

It nice to see yourself progressing, but are grading just a money making con?

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It does seem to be a bit of a racket, the last one I took cost 24 quid, which basically covered the cost of the grading, certificate and belt. Looking through adverts in magazines you can pick up belts for 3 quid, I'm sure the certificate doesn't cost a great deal and I'd already paid for my class for the week, so the club made a fair bit of cash, considering there were 8 of us being graded at that time.

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By KT, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:27am 
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IB wrote:

KT wrote:

It nice to see yourself progressing, but are grading just a money making con?

discuss!



It does seem to be a bit of a racket, the last one I took cost 24 quid, which basically covered the cost of the grading, certificate and belt. Looking through adverts in magazines you can pick up belts for 3 quid, I'm sure the certificate doesn't cost a great deal and I'd already paid for my class for the week, so the club made a fair bit of cash, considering there were 8 of us being graded at that time.



The stat's show that more kids do karate than any other art, and they is normally 20 to 30 kids grading every few months!


*stats are from finger in the air*

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Re: Are gradings a con?

By andy, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:54am 
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KT wrote:

It nice to see yourself progressing, but are grading just a money making con?

discuss!



No.

It depends on the club/style/instructor/master, but generally they are a good way of gauging progress.

In the classes I attended grading fees were nominal (I think a fiver up until black belt) and the instructor wouldn't recommend you for the test unless he was sure you'd pass (if he just put everyone in to get the fees, it'd be more McDojo).

We used to hand our old belts in and get a new belt, sometimes brand new, sometimes handed down from one of the seniors.

Gradings also gave people a chance to perform in a pressured situation (if they weren't in to competitions) to learn to cope with adrenaline/nerves.

Black-belt gradings are a lot more expensive but most of that comes from the Kukkiwon certificate cost (the World Taekwondo Headquarters).

I think gradings are very useful.

The other option is just to give people their next rank when the master feels they've earnt it. However, this then wouldn't give them the situation/nerves to overcome.

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By BFG, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:54am 
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well grading and progression is good and the skills required to attain the level are monitored and well documented so dont see it as a problem.


At the end of the day everyone wants a master who is skilled in all techniques and that means ongoing training and development for them which costs so why not

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By KT, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:59am 
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andy wrote:

KT wrote:

It nice to see yourself progressing, but are grading just a money making con?

discuss!



No.

It depends on the club/style/instructor/master, but generally they are a good way of gauging progress.

In the classes I attended grading fees were nominal (I think a fiver up until black belt) and the instructor wouldn't recommend you for the test unless he was sure you'd pass (if he just put everyone in to get the fees, it'd be more McDojo).

We used to hand our old belts in and get a new belt, sometimes brand new, sometimes handed down from one of the seniors.

Gradings also gave people a chance to perform in a pressured situation (if they weren't in to competitions) to learn to cope with adrenaline/nerves.

Black-belt gradings are a lot more expensive but most of that comes from the Kukkiwon certificate cost (the World Taekwondo Headquarters).

I think gradings are very useful.

The other option is just to give people their next rank when the master feels they've earnt it. However, this then wouldn't give them the situation/nerves to overcome.



Since meeting you 1 month ago (internet only I might add), I really do think you went to a decent club!!

I feel my old club was decent as well, not as much!!!

There are other clubs that charge a lot more for gradings and you have to buy their belts!!

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By andy, Fri 21 Apr 2006 at 11:59am 
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BFG wrote:

well grading and progression is good and the skills required to attain the level are monitored and well documented so dont see it as a problem.


At the end of the day everyone wants a master who is skilled in all techniques and that means ongoing training and development for them which costs so why not



I'd rather have a master that could teach all technique than perform them though.

I've had seminars with Grand Masters who aren't able to do all the flashy stuff, but could certainly watch a single kick performed by a junior, make one small change and have the kick so much better/easier to perform.

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