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By mjoyeux, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 12:15am 
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Just out of interest I've just visited eight different sites to see what my calorie intake is with my current weight...

Standing 5 foot 5 inches and weighing 157lb, being relatively fit, going to the gym three to four times a week and football on Sundays. However I spend a lot of time sitting down outside of the gym, so I eat for a "sedantary" lifestlye.

And I found eight different calculators gave seven different results. Some asked for a little information, some asked for a lot.

Everything from between 1300 to 2400.

They averaged out at 1880 for me to maintain my current weight, so naturally cutting down to 1400 for 1lb a week loss though a calorie deficeit.

My question is how many calories should I be shoving down my throat? And in what quantities per meal?

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Re: Everything from 1300 to 2400... Man I hate calories

By SilentGuy, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 12:47am 
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I've spent a year wasting my time focusing on what these sites have said i should use for cutting. Frankly ive had results from logging what I eat and determining my weekly intake averaged out and going from there for the following week compared to absolutely no progress for over a year.

IIRC you seem to base your gym workouts mainly with CV activity as opposed to weights. IMO, that doesn't help as much. If its the case and still is, I'd focus solely on just that.

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Re: Everything from 1300 to 2400... Man I hate calories

By Anthony, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 9:28am 
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Hi Mate

Can you answer these for me:

- What do you do in your gym sessions?

- How long do your gym sessions last?

- How long do you play football for?

- Does that include any training time or is it just a match?

- Do you know your bodyfat percent?

Chees mjoyeux

Anthony

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Re: Everything from 1300 to 2400... Man I hate calories

By mjoyeux, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 10:50am 
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My gym sessions normally are:

5 Minute warm up on the treadmill.

25 minutes on the treadmill doing about 5km (Running at 12km) or Random/Hill for 25 minutes.

I do either a 1000m sprint on the rower (which takes about 4 minutes 10 seconds) or 10-20 minutes.

Then 20 minutes on the cross trainer.

I then move onto the weights and resistance machines.

For Upper Body Days my routine is:

Incline Bench Press super setted with Bicep curls

then shoulder press super setted with lateral raises.

Bent over dumbell row

then onto the machines

MTS Row
Tricep pull down

On a lower body day, I normally do:

Leg Extensions
Seated Leg Curl
Leg Press

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And football on a Sunday is just a kick about with my mates for about an hour and a half.

Body Fat Percentage?

Hmmm... Probably quite high, for all the exercise I do, this last stone and a half is proving impossable to shift. Although I am very deceptively fit.

I'd estimate about 26%... ;-)


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Re: Everything from 1300 to 2400... Man I hate calories

By mjoyeux, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 10:52am 
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And yeah, I'm a definate CV guy...

Which is kinda the only plus side of being my build, laughing as I spritely nip past other people in races...

Skinny unfit sods ;-)

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Re: Everything from 1300 to 2400... Man I hate calories

By BFG, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 12:03pm 
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mjoyeux wrote:



Skinny unfit sods ;-)



PMSL you get em mate :-) Glad to see you are still battling away at it

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Re: Everything from 1300 to 2400... Man I hate calories

By Anthony, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 12:13pm 
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Hi Mate

The problem's not the calories, it's your body composition. At 157 and over 20%, you don't really have the muscle mass to lose 1 lb per week, and you're not doing enough in the gym to stimulate it which means on top of that, when you do lose weight, a much larger percentage of that will be the muscle you do have, s not only will you not look any different, but you'll have cut your metabolism by a load more than if you lost a higher percentage of fat, again making it even harder for you to shift it. Vicious cycle!

It can be fixed though. Firstly, cut your cardio down to two days per week and put it on different days to your weights.

Switch your gym routine to this one: Mansized Gym Rat Weight Loss Routine and do it twice per week instead of the three times reccomended. So your weekly routine will now go:

Day 1: CV
Day 2: Weights
Day 3: Off
Day 4: CV
Day 5: Weights
Day 6: Off
Day 7: Football

So you're now actually doing cv work 5 days per week, but now two of those CV sessions are done with weights. By splitting them up, you can now also work hard enough to stimulate new muscle and get stronger by working your whole body in one go, and consistantly striving to increase the weight lifted over time.

Lastly, increase your calories to about 1800, making sure you get plenty of protein (you're looking for about 120g per day), and plenty of carbs (double the protein figure). You may also benefit from cycling your calories between 1800 and 1600, dropping 100 every week, then after a week of 1600 going back to 1800 and starting again.

Don't forget if you're not already to make sure you're getting at least 4 litres of cold water down your neck, and split your meals up into 4-6 smaller meals per day. You could use the meal plan templates here for some ideas on how that can be done effectively: Mansized Lose Weight Challenge

It's unlikely lose a pound a week just yet, as you'll need some time for your body composition to adjust, but you may actually find it's been so long since your muscles have been stimulated to grow, coupled with the amount of lean tissue you've likely lost, it'll respond quite quickly!

The last tip is to keep a close eye on your bodyfat percent. Whether you get it tested every fortnight by a proffesional down the gym or do it yourself (our answer How do I measure my body fat percent? will show you how) doesn't matter so much, but it'll help you make sure you're losing fat and building muscle.

With any luck, your body weight will go up a bit over the next couple of weeks as your body composition changes, but while that happens, your body fat which is what we really want to lose when we talk about weight loss will go down.

Good Luck!

Anthony

Edited Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 1:47pm

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Re: Everything from 1300 to 2400... Man I hate calories

By mjoyeux, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 12:38pm 
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Would this be the workout your suggesting?

Week 1
Leg Press
Dumbbell Pullover
Chest Press
Machine Row
Abdominal Crunch

Doesn't seem like an awful lot. I think I do a little more than that... normally ;-) So I'm essentially I'm just doing weights?

I'm going to get my Body Fat done at the gym tonight to confirm your suspisions.

I'm going to take your advice, I've tried everything else over the last 18 months as Silent Guy said...

Obviously being "fit" and having good endurance doesn't help :-(

Glad to know I can eat a little more though... That's motivation in itself!

Edited Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 12:57pm

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Re: Everything from 1300 to 2400... Man I hate calories

By Anthony, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 1:30pm 
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Hi Mate

mjoyeux wrote:

Would this be the workout your suggesting?

Week 1
Leg Press
Dumbbell Pullover
Chest Press
Machine Row
Abdominal Crunch



And a Back extension on the end. Because the exercises are in pairs to be performed back to back, you wont find an odd number. Then a new exercise pair is added at 4 week intervals.

mjoyeux wrote:

Doesn't seem like an awful lot. I think I do a little more than that... normally ;-)



That's right, and as a result, particularly coupled wth tiring yourself out with the CV first, you're not working as hard as you could be. On top of that, your volume of work (including your CV) is way too high for the calories you're on at the moment, so essentially your body will hold onto fat for survival, and ditch the muscle it doesn't need because it's not being stimulated.

Net result, thinner fat person with a much slower metabolism! Not the result we want!

By cutting the volume, it'll allow you to put more effort into each exercise to get those extra reps each session, and get the extra weight added as you hit the top number of reps.

mjoyeux wrote:

So I'm essentially I'm just doing weights?



On your weights days, yep.

mjoyeux wrote:

I'm going to get my Body Fat done at the gym tonight to confirm your suspisions.

I'm going to take your advice, I've tried everything else over the last 18 months as Silent Guy said...

Obviously being "fit" and having good endurance doesn't help :-(



Not for fat loss, no. But from your post it sounds like you need that endurance for races as you mentioned running past people, so we wont change your routine too much.

Good Luck!

Anthony

Edited Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 1:30pm

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Re: Everything from 1300 to 2400... Man I hate calories

By mjoyeux, Thu 27 Apr 2006 at 1:48pm 
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Thanks Mate! Tried the rest and all that...

Let's see how I do on this for the next few months...

I do run, but I can knock that on the head for the time being...

What would you recommend for the CV?

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